To comprehend about who is all the more intense, let us consider,what sacred texts need to say in regards to it. There are two noteworthy episodes specified in the scriptures,where Lord Shiva and Lord Vishnu battled with each other. The person who wins the fight is certainly the most capable. There is no compelling reason to give any individual feeling on this matter. One ought to rather adhere to the specialist of the sacred texts for such topics. I would cite a couple of occurrences.
The first is specified as takes after:
1)Valmiki ramayana,bala khanda 1.75
तदा तु देवताः सर्वाः पृच्छन्ति स्म पितामहम् || १-७५-१४
शिति कण्ठस्य विष्णोः च बल अबल निरीक्षया |
अभिप्रायम् तु विज्ञाय देवतानाम् पितामहः || १-७५-१५
विरोधम् जनयामास तयोः सत्यवताम् वरः |
""When, every one of the divine beings were asking the Grandparent, Brahma, with respect to who is effective and who is less capable among the blue-throated Shiva and Vishnu... yet, the Grandparent Brahma on gathering the goal of divine beings begun to make difficulty among those two, Shiva and Vishnu, for the Grandparent is the best adherer of honesty, as truth can't be exhibited on gossip prove"
विरोधे तु महत् युद्धम् अभवत् रोम हर्षणम् || १-७५-१६
शिति कण्ठस्य विष्णोः च परस्पर जय एषिणोः |
"Inferable from their hostility at that point happened a furious and hair-raising war among Shiva and Vishnu, as each aimed triumph for himself"
तदा तु जृम्भितम् शैवम् धनुः भीम पराक्रमम् || १-७५-१७
हुम् कारेण महादेवः स्तम्भितो अथ त्रिलोचनः |
"By the "murmur" sound of Vishnu that ruinously overwhelming longbow of Shiva is broken, and the triple-looked at God, Mahadeva, is solidified"
देवैः तदा समागंय स ऋषि सन्घैः स चारणैः || १-७५-१८
याचितौ प्रशमम् तत्र जग्मतुः तौ सुर उत्तमौ |
"At that point divine beings alongside the gatherings of sages and heavenly carana-s have met up and spoke to those two for settlement in the matter of using specialist, and after that those two unrivaled divine beings, Shiva and Vishnu, went into a condition of friendship"
जृम्भितम् तत् धनुः दृष्ट्वा शैवम् विष्णु पराक्रमैः || १-७५-१९
अधिकम् मेनिरे विष्णुम् देवाः स ऋषि गणाः तदा |
"On observing the bow of Shiva rendered idle by the dauntlessness of Vishnu, from that point on the divine beings alongside the arrays of sages considered Vishnu to be all the more effective."
2) Elsewhere, in Valmiki Ramayana,sundara khanda, 5-51-45, it is specified as takes after:
brahmā svayambhūś caturānano vā
rudrastrinetrastripurāntako vā |
indro mahendraḥ suranāyako vā
trātuṃ na śaktā yudhi rāmavadhyam ||
"Neither Lord Brahma, the self-conceived god with four countenances nor Lord Rudra with three eyes and the destroyer of Tripura or Mahendra, the divine force of environment and sky as additionally the master of heavenly would have the capacity to ensure the one to be murdered by Lord Rama in fight."
The second occurrence is specified as takes after:
2) Srimad bhagavata purana 10.63
SB 10.63.7 — A most astounding, tumultuous and hair-raising fight at that point started, with Lord Kṛṣṇa coordinated against Lord Śaṅkara, and Pradyumna against Kārtikeya.
SB 10.63.8 — Lord Balarāma battled with Kumbhāṇḍa and Kūpakarṇa, Sāmba with Bāṇa's child, and Sātyaki with Bāṇa.
SB 10.63.9 — Brahmā and the other decision demigods, alongside Siddhas, Cāraṇas and extraordinary sages, and also Gandharvas, Apsarās and Yakṣas, all came in their heavenly planes to watch.
SB 10.63.10-11 — With sharp-pointed bolts released from His bow Śārṅga, Lord Kṛṣṇa headed out the different adherents of Lord Śiva — Bhūtas, Pramathas, Guhyakas, Ḍākinīs, Yātudhānas, Vetālas, Vināyakas, Pretas, Mātās, Piśācas, Kuṣmāṇḍas and Brahma-rākṣasas.
SB 10.63.12 — Lord Śiva, wielder of the trident, shot different weapons at Lord Kṛṣṇa, wielder of Śārṅga. Be that as it may, Lord Kṛṣṇa was not at all confounded: He killed every one of these weapons with suitable counterweapons.
SB 10.63.13 — Lord Kṛṣṇa balanced a brahmāstra with another brahmāstra, a twist weapon with a mountain weapon, a shoot weapon with a rain weapon, and Lord Śiva's own pāśupatāstra weapon with His very own weapon, the nārāyaṇāstra.
SB 10.63.14 — After confounding Lord Śiva by making him yawn with a yawning weapon, Lord Kṛṣṇa continued to hit down Bāṇāsura's armed force with His sword, club and bolts.
SB 10.63.15 — Lord Kārtikeya was upset by the surge of Pradyumna's bolts pouring down from all sides, and consequently he fled the front line on his peacock as blood poured from his appendages.
SB 10.63.16 — Kumbhāṇḍa and Kūpakarṇa, tormented by Lord Balarāma's club, tumbled down dead. At the point when the troopers of these two devils saw that their pioneers had been slaughtered, they scattered every which way.
SB 10.63.17 — Bāṇāsura was incensed to see his whole military constrain being torn separated. Leaving his battle with Sātyaki, he charged over the combat zone on his chariot and assaulted Lord Kṛṣṇa.
SB 10.63.18 — Excited to a free for all by the battling, Bāṇa at the same time pulled tight every one of the series of his five hundred bows and settled two bolts on each string.
SB 10.63.19 — Lord Śrī Hari split each one of Bāṇāsura's bows at the same time, and furthermore struck down his chariot driver, chariot and stallions. The Lord at that point sounded His conchshell.
SB 10.63.20 — Just at that point Bāṇāsura's mom, Koṭarā, coveting to spare her child's life, showed up before Lord Kṛṣṇa bare and with her hair fixed.
SB 10.63.21 — Lord Gadāgraja dismissed His face to abstain from seeing the bare lady, and Bāṇāsura — denied of his chariot, his bow broke — accepted the open door to escape into his city.
SB 10.63.22 — After Lord Śiva's supporters had been headed out, the Śiva-jvara, who had three heads and three feet, squeezed forward to assault Lord Kṛṣṇa. As the Śiva-jvara drew nearer, he appeared to consume everything in the ten headings.
SB 10.63.23 — Seeing this represented weapon approach, Lord Nārāyaṇa at that point discharged His own embodied fever weapon, the Viṣṇu-jvara. The Śiva-jvara and Viṣṇu-jvara in this way combat each other.
SB 10.63.24 — The Śiva-jvara, overpowered by the quality of the Viṣṇu-jvara, shouted out in torment. In any case, finding no asylum, the startled Śiva-jvara moved toward Lord Kṛṣṇa, the ace of the faculties, planning to accomplish His sanctuary. Subsequently with joined palms he started to applaud the Lord.
SB 10.63.25 — The Śiva-jvara stated: I bow down to You of boundless potencies, the Supreme Lord, the Supersoul of all creatures. You have unadulterated and finish awareness and are the reason for astronomical creation, upkeep and disintegration. Consummately serene, You are the Absolute Truth to whom the Vedas in a roundabout way allude.
SB 10.63.26 — Time; destiny; karma; the jīva and his inclinations; the unobtrusive material components; the material body; the life air; false self image; the different faculties; and the totality of these as reflected in the living being's unpretentious body — this constitutes your material fanciful vitality, māyā, an unending cycle like that of seed and plant. I take safe house of You, the nullification of this māyā.
SB 10.63.27 — With different goals, You perform interests to keep up the demigods, the pious people and the codes of religion for this world. By these leisure activities You likewise execute the individuals who stray from the correct way and live by savagery. Without a doubt, your present incarnation is intended to mitigate the world's weight.
SB 10.63.28 — I am tormented by the furious energy of Your repulsive fever weapon, which is frosty yet consuming. Every typified soul must endure the length of they stay bound to material aspirations and hence unwilling to serving Your feet.
SB 10.63.29 — The Supreme Lord stated: O three-headed one, I am satisfied with you. May your dread of My fever weapon be dispersed, and may whoever recollects our discussion here have no motivation to fear you.
SB 10.63.30 — Thus tended to, the Māheśvara-jvara bowed down to the dependable Lord and left. In any case, Bāṇāsura at that point showed up, riding forward on his chariot to battle Lord Kṛṣṇa.
SB 10.63.31 — Carrying various weapons in his thousand hands, O King, the unpleasantly rankled devil shot numerous bolts at Lord Kṛṣṇa, the transporter of the circle weapon.
SB 10.63.32 — As Bāṇa kept heaving weapons at Him, the Supreme Lord started utilizing His dangerously sharp cakra to remove Bāṇāsura's arms as though they were tree limbs.
SB 10.63.33 — Lord Śiva felt empathy for his lover Bāṇāsura, whose arms were being cut off, and in this manner he moved toward Lord Cakrāyudha [Kṛṣṇa] and addressed Him as takes after.
SB 10.63.34 — Śrī Rudra stated: only you are the Absolute Truth, the incomparable light, the riddle covered up inside the verbal sign of the Absolute. Those whose hearts are spotless can see You, for You are uncontaminated, similar to the sky.
SB 10.63.35-36 — The sky is Your navel, fire Your face, water Your semen, and paradise Your head. The cardinal headings are Your feeling of hearing, natural plants the hairs on Your body, and water-bearing mists the hair on Your head. The earth is Your foot, the moon Your psyche, and the sun Your vision, while I am Your personality. The sea is Your belly, Indra Your arm, Lord Brahmā Your insight, the ancestor of humankind Your private parts, and religion Your heart. You are in fact the first puruṣa, maker of the universes.
SB 10.63.37 — Your present plunge into the material domain, O Lord of unlimited power, is implied for maintaining the standards of equity and profiting the whole universe. We demigods, each relying upon Your beauty and specialist, build up the seven planetary frameworks.
SB 10.63.38 — You are the first individual, one without a moment, supernatural and self-showing. Uncaused, you are the reason for all, and You are a definitive controller. You are in any case seen as far as the changes of matter affected by Your fanciful vitality — changes You endorse so that the different material qualities can completely show.
SB 10.63.39 — O omnipotent one, similarly as the sun, however covered up by a cloud, enlightens the cloud and all other noticeable structures too, so You, albeit covered up by the material qualities, stay self-radiant and hence uncover every one of those qualities, alongside the living elements who have them.
SB 10.63.40 — Their insight baffled by Your māyā, completely joined to youngsters, spouse, home et cetera, people drenched in the sea of material hopelessness once in a while ascend to the surface and in some cases sink down.
SB 10.63.41 — One who has achieved this human type of life as a blessing from God, yet who neglects to control his faculties and respect Your feet, is without a doubt to be felt sorry for, for he is just bamboozling himself.
SB 10.63.42 — That mortal who rejects You — his actual Self, dearmost companion, and Lord — for sense questions, whose nature is the exact inverse, denies nectar and rather devours harm.
SB 10.63.43 — I, Lord Brahmā, alternate demigods and the unadulterated disapproved of sages have all surrendered wholeheartedly unto You, our dearmost Self and Lord.
SB 10.63.44 — Let us love You, the Supreme Lord, to be liberated from material life. You are the maintainer of the universe and the reason for its creation and end. Equipoised and superbly settled, You are simply the genuine companion, and worshippable Lord. You are one without a moment, the safe house of the considerable number of universes and all souls.
SB 10.63.45 — This Bāṇāsura is my dear and reliable adherent, and I have granted him opportunity from fear. Hence, my Lord, please give him Your leniency, similarly as You indicated benevolence to Prahlāda, the ruler of the evil presences.
SB 10.63.46 — The Supreme Lord Krishna stated: My dear Lord Shiva, for your pleasure We should absolutely do what you have asked for of Us. I completely concur with your decision.
One ought to along these lines comprehend that Lord Krishna can't be vanquished by anybody. Infact, one of the name of Lord Vishnu in Vishnu sahasranama is "Ajita". The importance of this name is "One who can't be vanquished by anybody."
Adi Sankaracharya in his Vishnu sahasranama bhasya has given the accompanying clarification to this name:
"na kena programming interface avataresu jita iti ajitah"
"Master can't be vanquished by anybody in any of his avaratas(descent).Hence,he is called as Ajita"
In this manner I trust the uncertainty in regards to who is all the more intense among Lord Shiva and Lord Vishnu is plainly settled with the portrayal of the above episodes.
References:
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ut...
http://www.vedabase.com/en/sb/10/63
Vishnu For his most evil sanctuary, finest mosque, and the best church exists inside the souls (the inestimable vitality). On the off chance that influence is your third dimensional measure of 'quality', "rich" and 'notoriety', I fear the "tridev" (Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva) exist past the third measurement and after the sixth Human Chakra.
When you reach there, you wouldn't look correlation, since there needs no examination of grandiose vitality which lies past the time-space parabola. In the event that you take a paper, overlay it twice, it's three dimensional. On the off chance that collapsed, fourth time, it analyzes into seventh dimensional; and subsequently this collapsing is internal produced with profound power (one ought not look for it external, but rather look for in inward) and thus is relied upon to discover the appropriate response yourself past the sixth Chakra. :)
Entropy of the universe is expanding and clearly we are set out toward times when the universe will achieve its harmony, a condition of greatest entropy. So what might it resemble in such a situation?
Such a situation is clarified by the idea of Heat demise of the universe. Times when the stars have broke down as all their warmth has disseminated. The event of such a situation however is broadly faced off regarding.
Considering heat passing can to be sure happen, envision the circumstances when the sun's power is decreased by ten times! What might life resemble on earth?
From the event of day and night, stream of the waterways, periods of summer and winter and rain, development of the life supporting plants on earth, everything would take a BIG hit!
Do you notice some disorder on our planet as an outcome? Real hit in the creation of assets that support our intricate power hungry setup called 'Present day Civilization' ?
Sounds natural to the kaliyug of Hinduism?
This conviction of Hinduism matches to some degree to the second law of thermodynamics about expanding entropy.
Be that as it may, not to be dampened! Despite the fact that material science to the extent I know, doesn't generally foresee any useful for people after such a warmth passing of universe, according to Hinduism, this cycle of four yugas rehashes interminably, beginning with the primary yuga. So we will make a rebound!
Presently in the event that you view Shiva as sort of an inestimable drive field who is the implementer of the second law of thermodynamics, at that point yes, he is in reality the God of entropy and henceforth not control. Power is your third dimensional measure of the previously mentioned elements.
Analytics and Comparison
1. Despite the fact that it is not under any condition justificatory to analyze two Gods, especially Lord Shiva and Lord Krishna.Ruler Shiva is one of the Trimurtis and Lord Krishna is incarnation of Lord Vishnu.
Ruler Shiva is exemplified God whose assignment is Destruction of Transformation. Also, Lord Krishna was destined to execute Kans.
Master Shiva is thought to be made by Brahma as one of the Prajapatis (People who saw formation of world) and Lord Krishna was conceived as human, in Dwapar Yuga.
Master Shiva is in charge of death of anybody and Lord Krishna himself kicked the bucket.
On Lord Shiva you have an entire grantha called Shiva Purana and Lord Krishna is a character in few writing works like Mahabharata and Vishnu Purana.
Both the Gods are from various Time, has diverse status and assumed distinctive parts in Hindu mythology. It is not right to look at these two.
In the event that despite everything you need a correlation, you should look at among Lord Vishnu and Lord Shiva. This could maybe be replied.
We should see the story behind why Brahma is not worshiped. I had learnt it from my granddad, same I confirmed on google. Still there might be mistakes. There are various stories and their renditions accessible yet core of all these is as per the following:
When Lord Brahma and Vishnu went into a contention, that who is more imperative of the two. Their contention prompt clash, to determine that both consented to approach Lord Shiva. When they requested a determination, Lord Shiva, put a test. He transformed himself into a tremendous shape, his body stretched out to from Paatal to Heaven. He solicited, whosoever tries could touch either from my extraordinary (Head or Toe) will be considered. On the off chance that no one can, at that point he ought to be considered as generally critical.
Every one of the three rulers settled upon. Brahma assumed that it is about difficult to do as such. He began looking different choices. He saw a blossom (alluded as Ketaki on different sites) tumbling from the up in the sky. He addressed the blossom and came to know, that bloom is tumbling from the head of Lord Shiva and it took thousands years to reach. Brahma, asked for and persuaded bloom to talk mislead Lord Shiva, that Brahma has come to the head of Shiva and got this blossom from that point as a proof. At that point he came and called Lord Shiva to guarantee his win and bolstered his words with observer of blossom. In any case, Shiva knew about the lie of Brahma and Ketaki blossom. He got irate and reviled Brahma that he won't be ever worshiped by anybody anyplace on the earth. Additionally Lord Shiva reviled the Flower of Ketaki, that as it has talked lie, thusly independent of it's incredible aroma, it won't be utilized for ever.
There is a different story, following this, which says that on aggregate demand of all Gods Lord Shiva lessened the effect of his revile and Brahma is worshiped at just a single place on the earth, i.e. Pushkar. Ruler Shiva likewise lessened his revile for Ketaki blossom is utilized for Fragrance and decoration yet not for love and petitions.
Along these lines Lord Shiva swung to be most vital of the trinity. How could some other god be Greater than him.
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Why Is Brahma Not Worshipped?
2. Lord Shiva indeed!
Here is one incidence right from the start of the cosmos.Brahma, for the first time, appeared in the universe. Ignorant of this world,of his own existence. He started meditating for years and years and that went upto a thousand years. That’s when he came across with Vishnu, the perpetuator god. Brahma asked Vishnu, who are you? A benevolent Vishnu replied “I am your father”. Brahma full of his meditation powers, said I am the infinite, timeless. No one is my father. I am the creator of the universe. The argument went on. They finally settled for a dual. Whoever wins is the ultimate God. As soon as the started fighting, appeared a vast, luminescent pillar of energy. From space to inside the earth. And was reverberating AUM. Both of them, In awe of the magnificent phenomena decided to find its start and beginning. It as decided whosoever finds the edge, will be the winner.
They both went on their respective vehicles. Travelled for days, weeks, months and years. Vishnu gave up and came with dull face. ‘Couldn’tfind!” he told to the proudy Brahma.
Brahma, who himself couldnt find the edge, decided to lie. He said ‘ I did so I won, I am the ultimate God.
And then the Pillar opened up and came out the mighty Shiva, the lord of the lords. Timeless.Infinite. Formless. the distructor. The first Yogi. ‘I am your father’ he roared.
He cursed Brahma for lying and said you will never have a temple. And hence lord Brahma doesn’t have any temple, except one in Pushkara.
Note: Somebody fail to identity who is Krishna and who is Mahadeva, because you see two different personalities when you think of them.
Mahadeva is a part of Vishnu. Vishnu is a part of Mahadeva.
On one side Mahadeva presents Vishnu his Sudarshana Chakra as boon while on the other Vishnu protects Mahadeva from Bhasmasura.
As Hanumana, Mahadeva serves Rama; as Sharabheshwara he destroys Narasimha.
As Shankara he embraces Mohini to give birth to Ayyapa Swamy; as Shiva he accompanies Krishna in his Leela.
As Lingeshwara he gives the boon to Vishnu to be worshipped till eternity, as Veerabhadra he defeats Maha Vishnu in the battle of Prajapati Daksha.
Kurma Avatara prays to Mahadeva (Neelakantha) to drink the Kaalakuta Halaahal, while Shiva nearly protects Hayagreeva from the warth of Matsya Avtara.
Shiva is Rameshwara, the lord of Rama. Vishnu is the enigma and bull of the chariot of Tripurantaka, he is the very arrow of Tripurantaka' bow, the Pinaka.
Shiva witness Ram's Swayamvara, dances to the raagas of Ramchandra, becomes the gopika of govinda, the cow of Sri Balaji Venkateshwara.
There is no distinction between then. The Shaivas are Vaishnavas, the Vaishnavas are Shaivas because the lord is HARIHARA.
3. There were disputes many times belonging to this issue even in heaven. I will give two examples rather than Puranas. Chandrasekharendra Saraswathi, the late Kanchi Paramacharya, told this story. He took example for this by taking the word Rameswaram with Sanskrit grammar.
There is no problem with Saivas who think Lord Siva, the Parabrahma. There is no problem even with Vaishnavas who pick up Lord Vishnu as Parabrahma. The problem is only with the people who follow smartha sampradaya. (Smartha is derived from the word Smruthi. A cult formed by Adi Sankaracharya, who had no partiality among Gods.) who can't decide who is main.
Once all Gods went to The Vaikuntha to ask that what was the ‘samaas’ of Rameswaram. (Rama+Eswara is Sandhi, they are asking Vigraha of Samaas). Lord Vishnu said ‘Eswara of Rama’ (Hindi—Ram Kaa Eswar), Shashthi Thathpurusha samaas . I.e., Eswara is greater than Rama. Gods thought Rama is having Anantha(unlimited) Kalyana Guna. Humbleness is one quality of them. So he speaks like that only. So Gods didn't satisfy with this grammar.
They went to Kailasa to ask Lord Siva about this issue. Siva said Eswara is belonged to Rama. (Hindi, Rama ko Eswar ho gaya Bahuvreehi samaas) Now Rama became great. Gods didn't satisfy again. They went to Satyaloka abode to Brahma, to confirm impartially.
They put the same issue before Lord Brahma. Rama is Eswar and Eswar is Rama. (Hindi samaas, Rama hee Eswar Karmadharaya samaas). They satisfied and returned happily repeating the sentence, both are equals in the sense.
I think this is enough. But I am giving another story which had rendered among traditionalists in Thirumala.
Once all Gods gathered in heaven. Purusha Suktham was reciting the qualities of Parabrahmam. Gods were so curious about it. As the Suktha was reading them, every god was thinking that ‘it was my quality’, ‘it was mine’ like that. When Purusha Suktha recited,
“Hrïschathe Lakshmischa Patnoü -”
Then all Gods stopped thinking themselves. It's meaning is like this. “Whose wives are Mahalakshmi and Bhudevi(Hrï).” Gods concluded themselves that the Parabrahmam was Lord Srimannarayana.
Conclusion:—
If you like Ramayana follow the incident of Parasurama in balakanda. This has been given as one answer to your question.
If you like Srimadbhagavatha, read incident of Bañasura in Usha Pariñaya ghatta. This is also one answer to your question. All Puranas were written by one single sage, Vedavyasa Maharshi, an amśa of Vishnu. He felt uneasy after writing all Puranas including Mahabharata. Then Narada Maharshi told to write Bhagavatha for mental piece because Bhakti yoga is ultimate.
Nowadays the ideal book to all the people is Bhagavadgeeta. So follow the chapters 9th, 10th, 11th. You will come to a conclusion.
Precis to Bhagavatha was written by Narayana bhatta thirupada, a very great scholar of Kerala, by the name, “Narayaneeyam”. Just study 10 ślokas of 90th chapter. It is enough.
Some more edits on the demand of readers :
- The Purusha Suktha, Sri Suktha, Bhu Suktha, Manyu Suktha, etc… are originated from Vedas. We could not do comments against Vedas. Purusha Suktha is being read by priests in all temples of Lord Siva, Vikshnu, Uma, Lakshmi, Gañapathi, Skandha, Surya. Without these spells, there are no rituals like Abhishekas, Kumbha Prokshanas etc… .
- It is not point that which God is great. It is the point whom we should follow. We can understand a little about Adi Shankaracharya but nothing about Siva. We can understand a little about Ramanujacharya but nothing about Vishnu. It is always better to follow one preacher or master to deepen our mind.
- I will give better example in this aspect. We learn more subjects for at least 15 years. After then we select one and sharpening our brains we go to extreme in our favourite subject. It is same in the spiritual development side. We come to know about Adi Shankaracharya, Ramanujacharya, Madwacharya, Dayananda Saraswathi, Christ, Mahammod Pravaktha, Guru Nanak etc… . In this age almost every one is an agnostic. We will go through an aacharya depending upon our maturity, taste, experience, influences and circumstances. Only thing is to follow our master, following his instructions, doing service to him and pass the days with Nishkama Karma to get salvation.
- We should follow one God for concentration as Rama did prayers to Ranganatha (which is now in Sri Rangam). Srikrishna followed Sampathkumar (which is now in Melkote). His mother and wife prayed the lord who are now in Guruvayur and Udupi. In the oldest, greatest holy city, Varanasi, Lord Siva always spells Ramanama for concentration and teaches every one who comes to Kaśi, with a holy mind. It was written in famous Adhyathma Ramayana. This secret was said by Siva to Uma. “”Aham bhavannama grunan Kruthardo vasaami Kaśyaam anišam Bhavanya mumoorshamañasya vimukthayeham diśami manthram thava Nama Rama.”” He said this one also that “”Ramah Parathma Prakruthe ranadihi, Ananda ekaha Purushoththamohi ||””
- Akaśath pathitham thoyam yathha gachchhathi sagaram,
‘Sarva Deva namaskaram Keśavam Prathi gachchhathi’. Bhagavadgita
Comments Answer:
Thats a tough one, to be honest. But, this is not Batman v/s Superman that you can judge one against the other. They are Gods and both have mystical qualities.
BUT, on a personal note, I think Shiva did more socio-welfare and public welfare activities than Vishnu or any of his incarnation.
Be it drinking poison which would kill the entire world, or him saving Moon from getting burnt, or him saving the cobra around his neck.
Thats a personal opinion anyways.
BUT, on a personal note, I think Shiva did more socio-welfare and public welfare activities than Vishnu or any of his incarnation.
Be it drinking poison which would kill the entire world, or him saving Moon from getting burnt, or him saving the cobra around his neck.
Thats a personal opinion anyways.
Of course it is Lord Shiva, Shiva himself is Param Ishwara while Vishnu is an Aditya, a Deva. Generally people become confused about his Supremacy because of Puranas. Every Puran claims it's favourite deity to be supreme. But Puranas are Smritis, they are secondary scriptures. Vedas & Upanishads are primary scriptures or Shrutis. In every major Shruti Lord Shiva or Lord Rudra is portrayed as the Supreme Lord. Just like this verse of Svetasvatara Upanishad
The greatness of our scripture consists in the fact that it does not glorify one deity alone. The Vedas proclaim that the Atman, the Self, must be worshiped, the Atman that denotes all the deities.
Brahadranyaka Upanishad- 4. 5. 6 : "Verily, O Maitreyi, it is the Self that should be perceived, that should be seen, heard and reflected upon. It is the Self that must be known.
Don’t go by Puranas (I am not saying not to read them). They always try to glorify one aspect of Para-Brahman. If you are a Vaishnava, pray to Vishnu as your Atman, if Shaiva, pray to Shiva. If Shakta pray to Maa. Read Puranas to increase your knowledge, to keep your mind indulged in the form of deity you like. Don’t use Puranas to belittle someone else’s faith.
It doesn’t matter who is powerful, Shiva or Vishnu does it? Does it help you in any way? No. It just fulfills the ego of the one proclaiming who is the most powerful, nothing else.
Don't mind my saying so, but this is an ill-informed question. Who is more powerful Shiva or Vishnu? How do you judge power? If it means your destructive capabilities then it means Shiva for He is the destroyer. If it means the power to sustain and preserve life then it is Vishnu.
However consider this: Suppose Shiva were to decide to not destroy, He would be sparing. It is a power akin to that of Vishnu. Likewise if Vishnu were to decide to not sustain then he would be destroying, the same as Shiva. The scope of your question seeks to resolve this point of conflict; however it is not conflict at all, for the moment Vishnu stops nurturing He is no longer Vishnu, He becomes Shiva and the moment Shiva stops destroying He becomes Vishnu, the Sustainer. It is One entity that moves through the various functions of Creation, Sustenance and Destruction.
However I have a way to answer your question. Ask yourself, when do you feel more powerful, while sustaining your performing assets or while disposing of your assets that have outlived their usability. Therein lies the answer for you and it is unique to you. In a way it reflects your constitution vis a vis the Trimurti concept.
However consider this: Suppose Shiva were to decide to not destroy, He would be sparing. It is a power akin to that of Vishnu. Likewise if Vishnu were to decide to not sustain then he would be destroying, the same as Shiva. The scope of your question seeks to resolve this point of conflict; however it is not conflict at all, for the moment Vishnu stops nurturing He is no longer Vishnu, He becomes Shiva and the moment Shiva stops destroying He becomes Vishnu, the Sustainer. It is One entity that moves through the various functions of Creation, Sustenance and Destruction.
However I have a way to answer your question. Ask yourself, when do you feel more powerful, while sustaining your performing assets or while disposing of your assets that have outlived their usability. Therein lies the answer for you and it is unique to you. In a way it reflects your constitution vis a vis the Trimurti concept.
In Hinduism we have different lines of faith and believe. They sometime contradict with each other, but that's the great thing about this religion.
Now about Lord Shiva he is one among the three greats. As per Shiva Purana he was the first god. Then came Lord Brambha and then Lord Vishnu. He is the oldest but we can't give positions like other religion. But who is strongest it's an question which doesn't have any mention anywhere in Hindu text's for that matter or folklore. Yes there are stories in one story you will find Lird Shiva went to Lord Vishnu to intervene and sort an issue and vice versa.
इदम् हि नित्यमेवमुक्तमुत्तमोत्तमं स्तवं
पठन्स्मरन्ब्रुवन्नरो विशुद्धिमेतिसंततम् |
हरे गुरौ सुभक्तिमाशु याति नान्यथा गतिं
विमोहनं हि देहिनां सुशङ्करस्य चिंतनम् ||१४||
OM Namah Shivai.
I don't know why you asked me to answer this, Venugopal Pakala. Hindu scripture is not my forte, and I don't believe in any of it. Besides, you've written a very nice answer yourself. But it's an interesting question, and I get credits, so I'll answer anyways. From what I know and have read from the Gita, Hinduism is essentially a monotheistic religion. The three gods Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are different aspects of the same god. Kind of analogous to the Christian trinity, or the seven gods of Westeros. In the Gita, Krishna appears before Arjun in the form of Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, and all the other 33 crore gods. So you can consider them to be equally great.
I am not so knowledgeable person, but as per my understanding, there was a huge positive energy power in the universe (including millions of galaxies galaxies), Infinite, countless, beyond imagination power, that power was nothing but the god or you can say that we given a name GOD to that positive energy.
Now God wanted to create a new universe, for that he divided himself in three (Bramha, Vishnu, Mahesh)and also divided their duties & works like Brmha was creature, Vishnu was palanhaar to take care of the world, and finally distroyer was Mahesh or shiva. Nobody is more powerful and nobody is less. Then they created a new universe with living beings like Humans, animals, trees, earth, moon, Son, planets etc. All are created by God so obviously God is existing in all of them.
Now human being has mind to think, and he started to think and by his own mind. He stared to think that he is a God (which can create anything by his mind, cure it or can destroy it).
Where there is a light there is shadow (darkness) also, so he started to think himself at the top of all, he created 5 evils in his mind that is- kaam, karodh, moh, lobh, and most powerful is Ahankaar. He started to show his power by destroying natural things (Tree, animals, humans, Son, or other planets).
So the Vishnu has responsibility to nourish or take care of all nature, he given some special super power to the good soul human or he created a replica of himself (God) to stop destroying and teach him lesson to follow right path. We may call it Avtaar/ incarnation of GOD in different manner.
God did not divide this nature in name or religion. Its the human who divided it. The basic motto of all dharma/ religion is to save nature/ love the things created by God, Love each other.God has no cast no religion.
But as i said human always use his own mind and ...............
Now God wanted to create a new universe, for that he divided himself in three (Bramha, Vishnu, Mahesh)and also divided their duties & works like Brmha was creature, Vishnu was palanhaar to take care of the world, and finally distroyer was Mahesh or shiva. Nobody is more powerful and nobody is less. Then they created a new universe with living beings like Humans, animals, trees, earth, moon, Son, planets etc. All are created by God so obviously God is existing in all of them.
Now human being has mind to think, and he started to think and by his own mind. He stared to think that he is a God (which can create anything by his mind, cure it or can destroy it).
Where there is a light there is shadow (darkness) also, so he started to think himself at the top of all, he created 5 evils in his mind that is- kaam, karodh, moh, lobh, and most powerful is Ahankaar. He started to show his power by destroying natural things (Tree, animals, humans, Son, or other planets).
So the Vishnu has responsibility to nourish or take care of all nature, he given some special super power to the good soul human or he created a replica of himself (God) to stop destroying and teach him lesson to follow right path. We may call it Avtaar/ incarnation of GOD in different manner.
God did not divide this nature in name or religion. Its the human who divided it. The basic motto of all dharma/ religion is to save nature/ love the things created by God, Love each other.God has no cast no religion.
But as i said human always use his own mind and ...............
Oxymoron! The coexistence of complete contradiction. One who is driving the universe ensure that truth only wins and on the same time, serves the defeated. That one who is beyond the boundaries of universe lets creation and destruction both propagate.
Shiva, the one who is ‘SANYASI’ lives with his wife Parvati and family (Ganesh and Kartikeya) and remorse to the extent of destruction for entire universe when his wife Sati immolates herself.
And Ram/Krishna, the one who is ‘Grahasth’ leaves his home, wanders in jungles, leaves his wife Sita on some petty words of a washer man. Further, leaves his beloved Radha and re-establishes himself in Dwarika. He didn’t hesitate on not saving Abhimanyu, his own sister’s son and then goes on confronting Bramhastra to save Parikshit in Uttarasa’s womb.
Its not that simple to even understand the scope of their character, forget to compare their strength. These two are epitome of living life and creating their own patterns for good of common people.
Shiv and Vishnu both - extreme eccentricities of the universe, everything else oscillates in-between.
Dude ,never saw them fighting. :P
On a serious note "There is no need to compare them. Doing things like this has created a lots of sects in hinduism. If you are really after searching for absolute truth, read bhagvad geeta (Or whatever scriptures you believe in as all of them will tell same conclusion). "
On a serious note "There is no need to compare them. Doing things like this has created a lots of sects in hinduism. If you are really after searching for absolute truth, read bhagvad geeta (Or whatever scriptures you believe in as all of them will tell same conclusion). "
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Is this question arising from the need to know who you should devote your prayers to? I will reply to your question assuming that the answer to mine is yes, because otherwise your question would only be to no avail.
It is usually said that whether you worship to Shiva or Vishnu or any other God, you will eventually be worshipping the one and only Divine power. It is not necessarily so. Every deity has certain powers that they bestow upon their worshipper. You will get what you seek if you ask from the right deity !
Shiva is the ultimate yogi, the epitome of meditation and self-realisation. A worshipper of Shiva would be someone who is seeking self-actualization and reach his highest potential through the difficult path of rigorous penance, yoga and meditation. Here is a person who is looking at achieving perceptive abilities by awakening cosmic powers that every human is supposed to have. These powers can make an individual highly influential and powerful in worldly terms . However, Shiva, being the god of destruction also holds the power to bring you down if you corrupt your gifts with ego. You do not want to anger your God !
Vishnu on the other hand, is a deity of salvation or moksha. Those who are motivated to reach the divine - the source of origin of this universe and their own being. Vishnu, or Krishna bhakts surrender themselves to the service of the Lord in hope to meet him one day. The path is again same - intense Yogic practice but the aim is different. Those who are Vishnu bhakts may not necessarily be motivated by 'power' in physical or influential terms. Their thoughts are transcendental and they are seekers of extreme fulfilment through union with the One and only.
Now, none of these two are wrong or higher than the other, in my opinion. The paths depend on our previous or current life experiences and what it is that we seek depending on our position in our life. It is also possible, I suppose, to switch paths as life progresses. Maybe that is why many times a child is very much inclined towards Krishna, but as an adult he may swerve to Shiva for self- realisation and potential. Some Krishna bhakts would have you believe that once you reach the Divine, other paths are automatically opened up for you. Shiv bhakts might do the same. Whether that is true or not, is left to individual discretion and judgement.
Can one walk on both paths at the same time....does not seem practical. Devotion is not a sharable commodity.
Shiva is the ultimate yogi, the epitome of meditation and self-realisation. A worshipper of Shiva would be someone who is seeking self-actualization and reach his highest potential through the difficult path of rigorous penance, yoga and meditation. Here is a person who is looking at achieving perceptive abilities by awakening cosmic powers that every human is supposed to have. These powers can make an individual highly influential and powerful in worldly terms . However, Shiva, being the god of destruction also holds the power to bring you down if you corrupt your gifts with ego. You do not want to anger your God !
Vishnu on the other hand, is a deity of salvation or moksha. Those who are motivated to reach the divine - the source of origin of this universe and their own being. Vishnu, or Krishna bhakts surrender themselves to the service of the Lord in hope to meet him one day. The path is again same - intense Yogic practice but the aim is different. Those who are Vishnu bhakts may not necessarily be motivated by 'power' in physical or influential terms. Their thoughts are transcendental and they are seekers of extreme fulfilment through union with the One and only.
Now, none of these two are wrong or higher than the other, in my opinion. The paths depend on our previous or current life experiences and what it is that we seek depending on our position in our life. It is also possible, I suppose, to switch paths as life progresses. Maybe that is why many times a child is very much inclined towards Krishna, but as an adult he may swerve to Shiva for self- realisation and potential. Some Krishna bhakts would have you believe that once you reach the Divine, other paths are automatically opened up for you. Shiv bhakts might do the same. Whether that is true or not, is left to individual discretion and judgement.
Can one walk on both paths at the same time....does not seem practical. Devotion is not a sharable commodity.
Firat of all those who differentiate between shiv and vishnu perform heavy sin and go to hell. The vaishnav puranas state that vishnu is the only god and everything comes from vishnu, the shakti puranas state devi is all.powerful, shiv purana and ganesh purana state that they are supereme…. There is difference between bhagwaan and devata…Only 5 of them are recognized as bhagwaan and only these 5 take avtaars…shiv,vishnu,ganesh,devi and surya…they are different forms of supereme soul…The basic hindu philosophy is that God is one and appears to the devottee in a form which he /she likes….
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Who is superior and who is subordinate is all your assumptions. Trying to prove which form of God is superior is kinda dumb. All I can understand from the vishvarup is that everything is part of God. Shiva Vishnu Brahma are different manifestations of the one Supreme Lord. Its your favouritism that makes you people overanalyze and come up with your own conclusions. God simply said everything is He. I don’t get it- why would Shiva not appear in Vishvarup? Doesn’t make sense. Bhagavan was there showing vishvaroop (showing everything) then why Shiva won’t be there? Bhagavan is Vishnu Bhagavan is Shiva. Just different forms. Just because Bhagavan wears blue dress he is superior? Or he wears matted hair he is superior? Its just different forms manifested by Bhagavan for His purposes. Stop feeding your egos just because you happen to like a certain form of God. There is only one God with many forms. No one has seen the superior form, behind vishvarup, behind brahmajyoti. So stop being stupid. You say Shiva is superior but Vishnu is inferior or vice versa- hello both are same beings. Saying one form of God is inferior to another is insulting God. Oh God because you are holding trident you are inferior, when you hold chakra you are superior. I think this mentality is really stupid and people need to come out of it. Realize that God is one and everything prevades in Him. Doesn’t matter what form you choose to see him in or what name you call him. Its you people who confuse things with your own interpretations cause u want to prove your favorite form most superior. Did God say which form is superior? Noooooo! All He only showed his infinite forms. Those who are deriding vaishnavas and Vishnu and deeming Shiva Superior are no lesser than the Vaishnava claiming Shiva to me subordinate. Case of pot calling the kettle black. Realize that God is one and respect all His forms. Quit this stupid unworthy debate of which god is superior. Makes us look super dumb in the eyes of other faiths.
Neither, they both are equal.
In some Supreme scriptures God is Parmatma and has 3 Eternal manifestations.
Creator (Brahma), Sustainer (Vishnu), Destroyer - of that which has served it's purpose (Shiva).
while the manifestations are masculine their Energy or Shakti is feminine. Knowledge or Wisdom (Saraswati), Prosperity or Natural Resources (Lakshmi), Power (Durga/Parvati)
Now there are 3 major schools of worship in Hinduism - Shaiva, Vaishnava and Shakta.
As per Shaiva and their scriptures, Shiva is the actual form of Parmatma in his form as Linga. Everything emerges from him as he is Shunya and everything merges in him at the end as he is Ananth
As per Vaishnava and their scriptures, Vishnu is supreme Parmatma, Shiva and Vishnu and all creation emerges from him and merges into him in his Anant Swaroop
As per Shakta and their scriptures it is Shakti (Energy) is supreme Parmatma as Adi Parashakti and she creates Brahma Vishnu and Shiva and gives them her powers to manage the universe.
Brahma unfortunately does not have any school of worship. Apparently in all three schools of worship he gets cursed because of his that no one would worship him
P.s. Vedas call Indra as supreme.
And none of them are wrong. It's just a difference in perspective and in Hinduism everyone is allowed to have different perspectives because each person has his own brain. When people don't share a brain why should they share perspectives
It is simple… Firstly there is no plural means God is unity, still for who believe shiva and vishnu are different here is answer..….
- Scriptures say Lord Vishnu took pasupathastra from Lord shiva… where as Lord vishnu incarcinated himself as Mohini avatar to help Lord Shiva from Basmasura….
- Yes, there are instances where they fought each other not to know who os powerful, but for a reason, to teach a lesson.
- And some say in varanasi, shiva and vishnu argue each other on shore of river ganga to grant moksha to devotees
- Vishnu is originated from lord shiva, lord shiva imaged/decentralised himself as vishnu and bramha.
- I conclude from my understanding that We should not compare who is powerful, it is a sin because we should accept principle as God is one.
This question doesn't has a definite answer because if you ask from a follower of Vishnu he will say lord Vishnu is more powerful and shiva's follower will say he is more powerful. But lord Shiva and Vishnu, both have different qualities, different positions. As I always say that please don't take mythological stories literally, they are metaphors.
None is greater than the creator, ruler and final destroyer of this universe. I am the creator, ruler and destroyer of this creation. You can worship Me in different ways as per the convenience of your mind. Don’t go against your mind in selecting the mode of worship since all modes are one and the same worship. Reading divine books, singing divine songs, dancing with divine modes, saluting God, going round the statue of God, seeing divine cinemas, looking My photos, hearing My stories, participating in divine debates and discussions, writing about Me, speaking about Me to others and propagating Me and My knowledge in the world are the different modes of My worship. Do not insult any divine form of God including formless God since a formless lump has also a form. Formless God is also a lump form and is the medium of God only since God is unimaginable beyond form and formless media.
Do not criticize any divine preacher or divine human incarnation in anyway. Think about your level before criticizing others. You should not criticize any mode of worship. Selection of mode of worship depends upon the specific liking of mind, which differs from one person to the other. If somebody is defective in the spiritual path, explain the truth by friendly discussion and don’t enter into hot arguments. Forms of God may be different and paths to reach God also may be different, but, God is only one and the same in every sub-religion or religion. The quantity (weight) of gold submitted by you matters for sanction of your loan by bank and not the variety of golden jewels submitted. How much fruit of work is sacrificed by you? How much energy is spent by you in the service? How much time could be allotted by you in His work?—are the various branches of your spiritual tree and the main stem of the tree is how much you are withdrawn from the aspiration of fruit in return from God?
Generally, mind requires variety because it is unstable in one mode. It is a flowing stream of nervous energy with constant motion of waves. It likes different forms of God and different modes of worship in different times. Since the ultimate value depends on practical service and practical sacrifice only, as long as the value is maintained, variety does not matter at all. For the same amount of money, you may purchase one item or many items as per their individual rates. As long as the mind is interested, you can continue with a specific form in a specific mode of worship only for any length of time. Whether you are towards north direction (God) or towards south direction (world) - is the most important point. In each direction (North or south) there are different sub-directions ranging from east to west and each sub-direction is in different levels. Variety doesn’t matter since change of variety is the nature of mind. If you maintain the quality of devotion (Non aspiration for fruit in return), quantity of devotion (allotting more time, energy and fruit of work), direction of devotion (theory transforming in to practice), relevance of devotion (concentrating on the relevant contemporary human incarnation) and level of devotion (ability to sacrifice anything and anyone for the sake of God), the spiritual path becomes fruitful.
Any path directed towards Me is the best and any path diverted towards the world is the worst. No path by itself is good or bad. The paths directed towards world may differ within themselves as relatively good (justice) or bad (injustice) and this relative difference is limited to the area of the world (Pravrutti) only as long as the direction to God (Nivrutti) doesn’t come into the picture. God is greater than even the welfare of the world and this point is tested by God in the case of divine servants working for the welfare of the world. You must work for welfare of the world since such welfare is liked by God. As a Nivrutti-devotee, you should not keep the welfare of the world above God. The Veda says that nothing and nobody is even equal to God and not to speak of more than God (Natatsamah…). In the earlier stage, try to serve Me adjusting yourself to the external atmosphere (your family and society) and the varying nature of mind. You should not hurt any soul for My sake and you should reach Me rejecting everything and everyone by not hurting anyone even a little. You can adopt the method of dramatic action for this purpose like anesthesia in performing surgery, which is not a sin at all since I am the goal.
Unity of Worldly Religions:
The unimaginable God gets mediated by different imaginable media (items of imaginable creation) becoming different mediated Gods of various worldly religions. The difference is only in the external imaginable media and not in the internal unimaginable God. This is the unity in diversity. When two countries are disconnected in the past time, let us assume that a religion came in one country, which didn’t reach the other disconnected country immediately in which several generations have gone without knowing the religious Gospel of God in the other country. The souls of these generations have gone to hell unnecessarily for their no fault since the other religion didn’t reach them. The other religion says that the people, who didn’t follow their Gospel will go to hell. Is it not partiality of God to a specific country? The other religion says that their God created this earth and all the humanity on it. Then, why is this partiality of Divine Father to a specific country without reason? Good and bad people exist in every country. The other religion can’t answer this question. But, we answer this, removing the rubbed partiality on God.
Our answer is—the unimaginable God came to every country in a specific imaginable medium and preached the same syllabus of spiritual knowledge in their languages. Those, who followed the syllabus (not language) go to God and those who deviate from syllabus go to hell. By this, no injustice happened to anybody of any generation in any disconnected country due to lack communication. Hence, there is no partiality of the one unimaginable God! Every religion says that their God (by virtue of a specific medium of God) alone created this earth. Unfortunately, there is only one earth!, which means that only one God must have existed. That one God is the inner unimaginable God, who is not seen (not even imagined) by any religious soul since the soul sees only the different external media and gets clutched in the false concept of different Gods.
One can follow own religion, even in conservative way, without criticising other religions. To avoid this split, ‘Universal Religion’ stands as the Central Government and every human being is in its own religion only as under the State Government (one’s own religion is the state). Being in your own religion, you can affiliate to Universal Religion since both are complimentary to each other. Swami gave correlation of the Veda, the Bible and the Quran in detail as can be seen in the above referred website.
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Samudra manthan (churning of the ocean milk) regarded as Amritha (the drink of immortality). There was a combat between Asuras and Devs , Asuras gained the control of universe so Devs seeked help of lord Vishnu. He created some women to seduce Asuras. Devs gained the universe and Amritha , lord Vishnu himself was seduced by those women. Lord vishnu and those women gave birth to many sons these sons turned as evil and killed many sages. lord Shiva made his way to killed those evil sons, lord Vishnu who was affected by the power like seducing amnesia. He went on and attacked Shiva powerfully for killing hi evil sons but Vishnu can’t conquer him and realised that the rival was none other than Shiva. Both are supreme and powerful being both can’t conquer each other
God is only one.He is the most powerful driving force or positive energy to the entire Brahmanda.In Hinduism we must be so much grateful that we have many Gods.One has a choice to select the God we like most devote and enhance our inner self more positively.
Now, Shiva and Vishnu are same. Both are positive energies and are auspicious. You can devote yourself to any form you like most.
Shivaya vishnu roopaya- vishnu's roopa/beauty and his avatar is none other than shiva. In other words: shiva is vishnu
Shiva roopaya vishnuve - the one in shiva roopa is none other than vishnu. In other words: vishnu is shiva.
Shivscha hrudayagam vishnu, vishnuscha hrudayagam shiva - vishnu resides in shiva's heart, and shiva resides in vishnu's heart.
Yatha shiva mayo vishnuhu, yevam vishnu mayah shiv - vishnu will be found in the same place you find shiva, and shiva can be found in the same place vishnu is. As is if you find one, you have found the other.
Yathantaranna pashyami, thathatme swasthirayushi - we are one and the same.
Actually both are same...In the bhagavat geeta sri krishna told himself that he is parabramhan mahavishnu who is a sanatana (the eternal being ) and at the time of destruction he himself is shiva...so that tells us when creation he himself is brahma when sustainance he is vishnu and when destruction he is shiva himself....so there is no point in arguing who is more powerful ....
And if you see the depiction of the viswaroop of lord as his main forms are present n which u can see that shiva is one of them....
It is said that those who cannot respect lord shiva can't be the real bhakth to lord vishnu as he is shiva himself ...they both are one and the same :)))
And if you see the depiction of the viswaroop of lord as his main forms are present n which u can see that shiva is one of them....
It is said that those who cannot respect lord shiva can't be the real bhakth to lord vishnu as he is shiva himself ...they both are one and the same :)))
Brahma Vishnu and Shiva are namely the creator the preserver and the destroyer they themselves maintain the balance and are supreme.They have different roles and this universe cannot sustain without them.If u recall Ramayana lord ram prayed to lord Shiva near the river and lord hanuman was lord Shiva's form.It is also said that lord Shiva meditates on lord ram.
Henotheism, a word coined originally by F.Schelling was used by Max Muller later in his interpretation of the evolution in Hindu concept of God. Henotheism-tossing of Gods, accommodates well within itself monotheism, monism and even non-dualism of Adi Sankara. Of late this term is replaced by monolatry, a perspective wherein one God being central, wherein all other gods are given more than sufficient space to loiter. So depending upon the context and coherence theory of truth supported by set of beliefs rooted in individual immediate intuitive non-sensible experiences, each God feels at ease with his devotees, though at constant mortal fear from adversaries.
The juxtaposition of the wise saying-devanam maanusha rupena with Indian history, I could deduce thus:-
- The Hindu Gods are capable of destroying themselves only to emerge as Phoenix to revenge to get back their lost power through their devout devotees.
- The Hindu Gods are as good or as bad as the political alliances that we see before elections in making some adjustments within their hierarchy of power and attention through their self-styled self-proclaimed spiritual gurus who project reincarnate of God’s destructive traits.
- At the advent of Islamic invasion, the Hindu Gods kept a low profile and stood helpless when their temples were ransacked, destroyed and burnt. One instance is the “Olympic velocity run-up” demonstrated by Lord Ranganatha of Srirangam of down South of India, when General Malik Kafur got the entire south for the first time under the Islamic rule. He paid ransom to leave Meenakshi temple by the then Pandian King Veera Pandian. Despite being an eunuch, Malik Kafur is admired as one of the 7 generals of global military history. India always stood as an example for-”dandam dasaguna bhaveth”, implying the power of the God is decided by “yatha Raja tatha praja”!
- Needless to say that Christian missionaries lured the Hindu Gods, of course en-route his staunch devotees to play for them. Unlike Islamic coercion, the Christian missionaries used ahimsa techniques through exploiting the poverty and illiteracy of the Indians.
- Despite “back to Vedas” campaign by great souls in Independent free India, mushroom of global trotting spiritual gurus commercialized Hindu Gods for cheap mundane matters within the past 50 years.
- Modi’s Demo-Pain was lessened by some of the Hindu Gods, of which Lord Venkatachalapathi of Tirupathi stood tall, when we read the press how the old notes were exchanged through Tirupati Hundi!
- The up-coming UP elections will also be an acid test if Vishnu will establish his prowess, since one of the election promises is that Ram mandir would be built, if…..!
I pray that Siva or Visnu or Brahma or Allah or Jesus or Buddha or Mahavira or any one of their off-shoots and lieutenants, must come together as Indians by applying Trump-BAN to anything Non-Indian in character!
Lord krsna is originator of all demigods including lord shiva and brāhma
Aham adir hi devanam maharsinam cha sarvasah ... B.g. 10 ch
I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts.
Aham adir hi devanam maharsinam cha sarvasah ... B.g. 10 ch
I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts.
kṣīraṁ yathā dadhi vikāra-viśeṣa-yogāt
sañjāyate na hi tataḥ pṛthag asti hetoḥ
yaḥ śambhutām api tathā samupaiti kāryād
govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi
Lord Śiva is considered to be like yogurt (dadhi). Yogurt is nothing but transformed milk; nonetheless, yogurt cannot be accepted as milk. Similarly, Lord Śiva holds almost all the powers of Lord Viṣṇu, and he is also above the qualities of the living entity, but he is not exactly like Viṣṇu, just as yogurt, although transformed milk, is not exactly like milk.
sañjāyate na hi tataḥ pṛthag asti hetoḥ
yaḥ śambhutām api tathā samupaiti kāryād
govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi
Lord Śiva is considered to be like yogurt (dadhi). Yogurt is nothing but transformed milk; nonetheless, yogurt cannot be accepted as milk. Similarly, Lord Śiva holds almost all the powers of Lord Viṣṇu, and he is also above the qualities of the living entity, but he is not exactly like Viṣṇu, just as yogurt, although transformed milk, is not exactly like milk.
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WHO IS THE GREATEST – BRAHMA, VISHNU OR SHIVA?
Once, long ago, on the shore of the river Sarasvati, a discussion arose among a group of sages as to which of the three chief lords-Brahmā, Vishnu or Shiva-is the greatest. They deputed Bhrigu Muni to investigate the matter.
Bhrigu decided to test the lords’ tolerance, for that quality is a sure sign of greatness. First he entered the court of Lord Brahmā, his father, without offering him any respect. This enraged Brahmā, who suppressed his anger because Bhrigu was his son. Next Bhrigu went to Lord Shiva, his older brother, who rose from his seat to embrace him. But Bhrigu rejected the embrace, calling Shiva a deviant heretic. Just as Shiva was about to kill Bhrigu with his trident, Goddess Pārvati interceded and pacified her husband. Next Bhrigu went to Vaikuntha to test Lord Nārāyana. Going up to the Lord, who was lying with His head on the lap of the goddess of fortune, Bhrigu kicked His chest. But instead of becoming angry, both the Lord and His consort stood up and offered Bhrigu respects. “Welcome,” said the Lord. “Please sit down and rest awhile. Kindly forgive us, dear master, for not noticing your arrival.” When Bhrigu went back to the assembly of sages and told them all that had happened, they concluded that Lord Vishnu is certainly supreme.
Srila Prabhupada comments, “Of course, Lord Vishu is all-merciful. He did not become angry at the activities of Bhrigu Muni, for Bhrigu Muni was a great brāhmana. A brāhmana is to be excused even if he sometimes commits an offense, and Lord Vishnu set the example. Yet it is said that from the time of this incident, the goddess of fortune, Lakshmi, has not been very favorably disposed toward the brāhmanas, and therefore because the goddess of fortune withholds her benedictions from them, the brāhmanas are generally very poor.
“The so-called brahmanas of the Kali-yuga are sometimes very proud that a great brāhmana like Bhrigu Muni could touch the chest of Lord Vishnu with his foot. But in fact when Bhrgu Muni kicked the chest of Lord Visnu it was the greatest offense, although Lord Visnu, being greatly magnanimous, did not take it very seriously.
So when such great personalities like Bhrigu Muni, Parashara Muni, Vasistha, and Atreya, are so much contaminated, what to speak of others? How they will understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead by mental speculation? They will conclude naturally, “Imperson.” That’s all. It is not possible for them to understand God. Only the devotees can understand what is the actual identification of the Absolute Truth.”
[An excerpt from the Srimad Bhagavatam (BBT) Tenth Canto Chapter 89]
People quoting that Bhagwatam proves Krishna is greatest, so dear friends we have Shiv Puran, Linga Puran etc to give you a tough competition. The Devi Bhagwat Puran says Yogmaya(Durga,Lakshmi,Saraswati combined) make even Vishnu fall asleep in Yognidra. So, there is only one way to know the answer. Meditate on the Ishta whom your heart calls, as he will reveal himself to you then ask him this question.
" The Supreme Spirit hath three condition, In the form of Brahma, he is the Creator, and in the form of Vishnu he is the Preserver, and in his form as Rudra, he is the Destroyer of the Universe".Mahabharata Vana Parva Section Section CCLXXWell-adored by the Rishis, by Brahma, and by all the deities, that great God, the Lord of the universe, otherwise called by the name of Hari, then addressed the illustrious Isana and said these words:-He that knows thee, knows me. He that follows thee, follows me. There is no difference between thee and me. Do thou never think otherwise.Mahabharata Santi Parva Section CCCXLIII
Shiva and Vishnu are said to be one and same (Shivaya Vishnurupaya Shivarupaya Vishnave…).The original founders of the religions were the human incarnations of the same God like Krishna, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha etc. Every religion says that their God only created this entire earth or this entire humanity. Unfortunately, there is only one earth and this proves that there is only one God mentioned by all the religions. Since God is one and the same, there cannot be contradicting concepts between the religions. But we find some contradictions and people are divided based on these contradictions. This division is leading to quarrels and finally killing each other. These contradictions cannot be from God because there is only one God as said above.
These contradictions were introduced into the religions by some misinterpretations of the followers only in the name of God. Hence the killing is also done in the name of God only. Q`ran says that you should protect even the follower of other religion and convey the message of Allah to him. It is left to him to follow or not. Hiranyakashipu worshipped Lord Shiva and his son Prahlada ( a great devotee) worshipped Lord Vishnu. Lord Vishnu killed Hiranyakashipu not because he is worshipping Lord Shiva but because he tortured Prahlada to change his religion of worshipping Vishnu. In fact Shiva is Vishnu (Shivashcha Naarayanah…Veda). The conclusion of this is that God will punish you if you torture the devotee of any religion obstructing the freedom of his religion. Prahlada did not force his father to worship Vishnu. The same God exists in different forms in different religions. Hinduism is a mini model of unity in diversity that should exist in the universe as universal spirituality.
Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are said to be equal. This means that the qualities that they represent are also equal. Good and bad are equal. Chillies and sweets are equal. All the three qualities are equal because they are equally important as means for getting complete entertainment in creation. The chillies are necessary to enjoy the sweet later on. The hero and the villain of a movie, both get equal remuneration. Both are equally important in giving entertainment to the audience. None is to be rejected or criticized.
This is the highest perspective. It is called the Brahmi Sthiti (God-like state). The person, who is established in this state, is never disturbed by the joys or tragedies of the world. Even as he breathes his last, he enjoys his own death, like God (Esha Brahmi Sthiti…Brahma Nirvana Mrichchhati… Gita). This was the state of Lord Krishna. He enjoyed throughout His entire life. He enjoyed as He cheated the Gopikas and stole their butter (Vanchate Parivanchate… Shri Rudram, Veda). Even the Gopikas enjoyed that cheating. That is the highest state of devotion, which is possible only with the highest knowledge. Krishna enjoyed even His own defeat by running away from Kalayavana. Finally, He enjoyed His own death too. This shows how Krishna and His devotees (Gopikas) practically saw the oneness in the three gunas and derived constant entertainment.
These contradictions were introduced into the religions by some misinterpretations of the followers only in the name of God. Hence the killing is also done in the name of God only. Q`ran says that you should protect even the follower of other religion and convey the message of Allah to him. It is left to him to follow or not. Hiranyakashipu worshipped Lord Shiva and his son Prahlada ( a great devotee) worshipped Lord Vishnu. Lord Vishnu killed Hiranyakashipu not because he is worshipping Lord Shiva but because he tortured Prahlada to change his religion of worshipping Vishnu. In fact Shiva is Vishnu (Shivashcha Naarayanah…Veda). The conclusion of this is that God will punish you if you torture the devotee of any religion obstructing the freedom of his religion. Prahlada did not force his father to worship Vishnu. The same God exists in different forms in different religions. Hinduism is a mini model of unity in diversity that should exist in the universe as universal spirituality.
Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are said to be equal. This means that the qualities that they represent are also equal. Good and bad are equal. Chillies and sweets are equal. All the three qualities are equal because they are equally important as means for getting complete entertainment in creation. The chillies are necessary to enjoy the sweet later on. The hero and the villain of a movie, both get equal remuneration. Both are equally important in giving entertainment to the audience. None is to be rejected or criticized.
This is the highest perspective. It is called the Brahmi Sthiti (God-like state). The person, who is established in this state, is never disturbed by the joys or tragedies of the world. Even as he breathes his last, he enjoys his own death, like God (Esha Brahmi Sthiti…Brahma Nirvana Mrichchhati… Gita). This was the state of Lord Krishna. He enjoyed throughout His entire life. He enjoyed as He cheated the Gopikas and stole their butter (Vanchate Parivanchate… Shri Rudram, Veda). Even the Gopikas enjoyed that cheating. That is the highest state of devotion, which is possible only with the highest knowledge. Krishna enjoyed even His own defeat by running away from Kalayavana. Finally, He enjoyed His own death too. This shows how Krishna and His devotees (Gopikas) practically saw the oneness in the three gunas and derived constant entertainment.
This question shows how we humans are perfectly illusioned by the lord. If we truly love a particular form of God we will not be bothered by his actual position. For us this form of god will be supreme. That is true love. Moreover what we are doing here is to limit the greatness of god. Limits exist only in this material world. Both shiva and krishna are infinitely great.
They deputed Bhrigu Muni to investigate the matter.
Bhrigu decided to test the lords’ tolerance, for that quality is a sure sign of greatness. First he entered the court of Lord Brahmā, his father, without offering him any respect. This enraged Brahmā, who suppressed his anger because Bhrigu was his son. Next Bhrigu went to Lord Shiva, his older brother, who rose from his seat to embrace him. But Bhrigu rejected the embrace, calling Shiva a deviant heretic. Just as Shiva was about to kill Bhrigu with his trident, Goddess Pārvati interceded and pacified her husband. Next Bhrigu went to Vaikuntha to test Lord Nārāyana. Going up to the Lord, who was lying with His head on the lap of the goddess of fortune, Bhrigu kicked His chest. But instead of becoming angry, both the Lord and His consort stood up and offered Bhrigu respects. “Welcome,” said the Lord. “Please sit down and rest awhile. Kindly forgive us, dear master, for not noticing your arrival.” When Bhrigu went back to the assembly of sages and told them all that had happened, they concluded that Lord Vishnu is certainly supreme.2)also The demon Bhasmasur take boon from shiva when he put his hand on any person the person will die. So he try to put his hand on head of shiva for Parvatis beauty.so Shiva feared and Run whole universe.For Saving Lord Shiva Supreme Lord Vishnu takes the form of Lord Mohini and Attracts demon.and start dancing also demon also start dancing but he put his hand his head so get to bhasma or death so lord Shiva saved.so Lord Vishnu is Supreme.3)once after Bhasmasura incident Lord shiva prays lord Vishnu to take Mohinis form and Shiva also get atttracted by her.but lord Vishnu told you will also get attracted and out of control by his maya in mohini form.but lord shiva told i will not get out of control.so Lord Vishnu take Lord mohini form.and by Seeing by seeing beauty of Lord Mohini lord shiva got out of control as lord mohini is most beautiful Woman in Univerce.so lord Shiva run to catch her.from this point story differ one is a) Shiva catches her and they have long sex in nude form but it results a son name Ayyapa which they put in kerala.this Ayyapa killed Demon mahishi( Sister of demon Mahishasura which has boon of can killed only by son of Lord Vishnu and Lord Shiva). b) second is Shiva cant catch her but semen of shiva is flown and go to the earth so produce gold and silver and sone semen goes to ear of hanumans mothet Anjani so Hanumana born from him.So as hanumana born from shivas semen he considers only shivas anshavatar.c) Third one is Shiva cant catch Her then lord mohini take form of Lord Vishnu.so Shiva ask lord vishnu how can Enjoy lord Mohini's beauty then Lord vishnu i will give my beauty to Parvati in Shivas avatar Khandoba.so Lord Khandoba enjoys greatest Pleasure to have Sex with Supreme God Vishnu in Lord Mhalasa form (avatar of Parvati has beauty of Lord Mohini)-after this shiva get that Lord Vishnu said that no one can saved by his maya then lord shiva accept it And accept lord Vishnu Is Only Supreme God.
Bhrigu decided to test the lords’ tolerance, for that quality is a sure sign of greatness. First he entered the court of Lord Brahmā, his father, without offering him any respect. This enraged Brahmā, who suppressed his anger because Bhrigu was his son. Next Bhrigu went to Lord Shiva, his older brother, who rose from his seat to embrace him. But Bhrigu rejected the embrace, calling Shiva a deviant heretic. Just as Shiva was about to kill Bhrigu with his trident, Goddess Pārvati interceded and pacified her husband. Next Bhrigu went to Vaikuntha to test Lord Nārāyana. Going up to the Lord, who was lying with His head on the lap of the goddess of fortune, Bhrigu kicked His chest. But instead of becoming angry, both the Lord and His consort stood up and offered Bhrigu respects. “Welcome,” said the Lord. “Please sit down and rest awhile. Kindly forgive us, dear master, for not noticing your arrival.” When Bhrigu went back to the assembly of sages and told them all that had happened, they concluded that Lord Vishnu is certainly supreme.2)also The demon Bhasmasur take boon from shiva when he put his hand on any person the person will die. So he try to put his hand on head of shiva for Parvatis beauty.so Shiva feared and Run whole universe.For Saving Lord Shiva Supreme Lord Vishnu takes the form of Lord Mohini and Attracts demon.and start dancing also demon also start dancing but he put his hand his head so get to bhasma or death so lord Shiva saved.so Lord Vishnu is Supreme.3)once after Bhasmasura incident Lord shiva prays lord Vishnu to take Mohinis form and Shiva also get atttracted by her.but lord Vishnu told you will also get attracted and out of control by his maya in mohini form.but lord shiva told i will not get out of control.so Lord Vishnu take Lord mohini form.and by Seeing by seeing beauty of Lord Mohini lord shiva got out of control as lord mohini is most beautiful Woman in Univerce.so lord Shiva run to catch her.from this point story differ one is a) Shiva catches her and they have long sex in nude form but it results a son name Ayyapa which they put in kerala.this Ayyapa killed Demon mahishi( Sister of demon Mahishasura which has boon of can killed only by son of Lord Vishnu and Lord Shiva). b) second is Shiva cant catch her but semen of shiva is flown and go to the earth so produce gold and silver and sone semen goes to ear of hanumans mothet Anjani so Hanumana born from him.So as hanumana born from shivas semen he considers only shivas anshavatar.c) Third one is Shiva cant catch Her then lord mohini take form of Lord Vishnu.so Shiva ask lord vishnu how can Enjoy lord Mohini's beauty then Lord vishnu i will give my beauty to Parvati in Shivas avatar Khandoba.so Lord Khandoba enjoys greatest Pleasure to have Sex with Supreme God Vishnu in Lord Mhalasa form (avatar of Parvati has beauty of Lord Mohini)-after this shiva get that Lord Vishnu said that no one can saved by his maya then lord shiva accept it And accept lord Vishnu Is Only Supreme God.
As per Sanathana Dharma every god represents energy.
Ex:
Hanuman represents Pranamaya Kosha
Ganesha controls Mooladhara Chakra
Lord Vishnu represents electromagnetic energy
Shiva(one which cannot be moved) represents Nuclear Energy.
So can anybody tell who is the supreme?
Every form of energy becomes the most supreme when it is unleashed to the max.
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Lord Shiva is equally powerful. Those who cannot perform a Shiv Puja or Abhishek may do meditation
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